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Can Ren Fu Collection’s Zisha Pot No:50 Be A Real Shi Dabin?

In 2012 Tony Ren went to a Chinese Painting and Antiques Authentication Roadshow in Penang, Malaysia organized by Malaysian Art Expert and collector Her Wei Yee whom Tony Ren respected as one of the best Old Zisha Hu experts in Malaysia and included in the panel of authentication experts from China was Yang Pau Jie of the Palace Museum of Beijing, China among many other big names.

Tony Ren took his turn in the queue and sat down when his number was next and placed a few Early Qing Zisha Hus for Her Wei Yee to examine and evaluate their Niandes, etc…He commented patiently and nonchalantly until the moment we show a Pot.

On seeing Pot No:50 and examining it (see pictures of Shi DaBin Pot) he lost his calm and remarked excitedly, “ This is a genuine Shi DaBin Pot!”

Tony Ren asked him again, “Are you sure it’s a real Shi DaBin Pot?”

“Yes, I am sure: the spout and shape are Late Ming style and the inscriptions are Shi DaBin’s writings”.

If you think this is the only excitement shown by a Malaysian Old Zisha Hu expert on seeing what he thinks is an authentic Shi DaBin, you should hear about another excitement( and even exasperation when he could not acquire Pot No:50) from Peng QingFu, arguably the most knowledgeable Taiwanese about Old Zisha Hu and a great teacher to Huang Qian Liang, Liu Chuan Sin, Li Min to name a few big names in Zisha Hu.(that was before we found out Peng QingFu is the master organized fraudster who sold the fakest Pots and who is the source of chaos, misery and destruction in Old Zisha Hu).

Yes, Peng QingFu!

In 2012, we have the fortune( or misfortune depending on what you think of it) of meeting Peng QingFu for the first time in Taipei, Taiwan. (we were told he lives in Taichung, Taiwan). In fact, we met him several times before, during and after the October 2012 JSL Zisha Hu Auction because we were told Peng QingFu is the biggest and highest authority on Old Zisha Hu. At the cafe lounge in the Grand Hyatt Hotel where we were staying, we brought some exquisite Early Zhuni Hus and two pictures of Pot No:50-the Pot and it’s inscriptions to show Peng QingFu. Like Her Wei Yee, the Malaysian Old Zisha Hu expert, he was relaxed and nonchalant when examining our Early Qing Pots but loses his cool and got excited when he saw the pictures of Pot No:50. He immediately asked, “ Where is this Pot now?”, ‘Is this your Pot?”, “Did you bring it with you?”, “Is it for sale? we can help you get a very good price for the Pot in JSL Auction!” and “Can you bring the Pot next time you come to Taiwan or I can fly to Malaysia ?” All in all, Peng QingFu asked us at least 8 times about Pot No:50 just before, during and after the October 2012 JSL Zisha Hu Auction.

(Note: JSL stopped Zisha Hu auction in 1998 due to the Asian Financial Crisis and only started again in October 2012 because of one reason and one reason only: the support of Ren Fu Collection’s massive collection of Old Zisha Hus which JSL believe we will keep on supporting them but when we attacked JSL for frauds committed by Peng QingFu and Huang Qian Liang after the auction, JSL’s name got so damaged by Ren Fu Collection’s exposure of its insider’s frauds that it stopped Zisha Hu auctions altogether.)

Now Ladies and Gentlemen, should we be very happy that these two Old Zisha Hu experts, one a respected Malaysian collector-cum-expert who claims that our Pot No:50 is a real Shi DaBin and the other a most notorious Taiwanese Old Hand-cum-master fraudster who even though did not mention the Pot No:50 is Shi DaBin but whose body language and behaviour towards the Pot indicated something very special and extraordinary about the Pot that an allusion to a real Shi DaBin Pot can only be the fitting conclusion? ( in fact there are a few more experts who say our Pot No:50 can be a possible Shi DaBin.)

What then is the verdict we hear you asked?

Before we open the question about Pot No:50’s true maker to the on-line learning or knowledgeable audience and ask for their opinions, let’s take a quick look at this giant of an Old Potter’s name: Shi DaBin and Ren Fu Collection’s Pot No:50.

Shi DaBin came into the scene in the Late Wanli period and he started potting by using moulds but later fashioned his Pots free-hand.

Free-hand potting and piece moulds potting went together and not to the exclusion of the other.

In Gong Chun’s time(ZhengDe’s reign:1506-1521) moulds were nothing new in the pottery trade. The technique of free-hand potting with the help of piece moulds has been a dominant method of Yixing potters in the Ming, Qing and even until now,

As we all know Gong Chun was a boy-servant of a scholar named Wu Yi Shan who spent some times at the Jinsha temple where Gong Chun picked up the art of potting from the monks in the temple and later himself potted so successfully that he became known as the “ Father of the Zisha Teapot”.

After Gong Chun, there are no uncontroversial records of any Potter who was active during the 80 years which elapsed between the reigns of ZhengDe and Wanli.

Some writers believe there were five co-founding Potters during these 80 years. They are Dong Han, Zhao Liang, Yuan Chang(1522-1566), Shi Peng(Jiajing reign) and Li Mao Lin(Wanli reign).

Very little is known of Shi Peng the father of Shi DaBin.

And as for Shi DaBin, the only uncontroversial and concrete proofs of his existence and works are found in the seven archaeologically excavated Shi DaBin Pots in mainland China.

Oops, sorry! Maybe an eighth excavated Shi DaBin with archaeological records found in Ren Fu Collection, that is, Pot No:50( all the other Shi DaBin Pots in Ren Fu Collection are Old Copies).

We hear you asked: what about Ren Fu Collection’s opinion because we were the ones who excavated Pot No:50 and so have the archaeological knowledge?

We have mixed feelings: one minute we think Pot No:50 can be a possible Shi DaBin and the next minute we think it’s too good to be true for Ren Fu Collection to own a real Shi DaBin. Unlike Ren Fu Collection’s Pot No:249 or 683 which we are very confident are the genuine Chen MingYuan and Pan-Hu respectively, we are honestly not sure about Pot No:50 even though it could be a possible Shi DaBin.

Now, if you like, let’s look at the archaeological records of Pot No:50 in the Ren Fu Collection again.

In the new book titled, “ Saving Old Purple-Sand Clay Teapots”, we put the Niande of Pot No:50 as KangXi/Shunzhi not because we think the Pot is KangXi/Shunzhi period but because we do not know and therefore we follow the Niande of the big disintegrated grave which had been “cannibalized” by a Qian Long 58th Year reign grave(see a diagram of excavation site). And as we have explained before, from our vast experience and knowledge of tombs/graves, it took at least 120 years for a grave to completely disintegrate and therefore this disintegrated grave got to be at least 120 years earlier than the Qian Long 58th Year Reign grave which would mean the disintegrated grave or Pot No:50 could be Shunzhi, ChongZhen, Tianqi and even Late Wanli.

The Pot No:50 was made from coarse sandy Zisha clay and its heavy body shape and spout are Late Ming style. Lastly, there were no Rouchen teacups excavated with Pot No:50 which mean Pot No:50 must be Shunzhi and earlier because Rouchen teacups started to appear in KangXi’s reign and all our Shunzhi and Late Ming Pots did not come with Rouchen teacups to prove the point. So Pot No:50 could be an Old Shunzhi copy or genuine ChongZhen Shi DaBin.

Unless there are more pieces of evidence that we can expand on, our opinion can only go so far today.

The next big posting is about Hui MengChen, the most popular and well-known but yet unknown and mysterious Old Master Potter and what Ren Fu Collection’s Pot No:387 has got to do with him. Ren Fu Collection should be the most informed and knowledgeable about the Old Master Potter Hui Meng Chen by reason of its having the most excavated Meng Chen Pots with archaeological records in the world. ( a clue to Pot No:387: no Rouchen teacups were excavated with the Pot too)

Enjoy Ren Fu Collection’s historical “One Belt, One Road” archaeological posting and have a Safe, Healthy and Happy Chinese New Year! (if you can)

P/s…Ren Fu Collection is coming out with a new Certificate of Authenticity for its teapots and tea wares and also we can issue Certificate of Authenticity for Pots, not belonging to us, that we authenticated for people. The certificate will have two signatures to prevent forgeries.

Zisha Hu also called Yixing teapot also called Purple-Sand clay teapot.

Santoh Zhuni Hu also called Chao Zhou Zhuni Hu also called Chaoshan teapot.

任富收藏的紫砂壶50号能成为真正的时大彬紫砂壶吗?………………

2012年,任汤尼赴马来西亚槟城参加了由马来西亚艺术专家、收藏家何伟义组织的中国画和古董鉴定路演,任汤尼认为他是马来西亚最好的紫砂壶专家之一,北京故宫博物院的杨宝杰是中国鉴定专家团的成员,中国是许多其他大牌中的一个。

任汤尼在排队的时候坐了下来,等下一个号码的时候,他放了几个清初的紫砂壶给何伟义,让她检查和评价她们的壶等等……他耐心地、漫不经心地评论着,直到我们拿出一个壶的那一刻。

一看到50号壶,又看了一眼(见时大彬壶的照片),他就失去了镇定,激动地说:“这是真正的时大彬壶!”

任汤尼又问他:“你确定是真的时大彬壶吗?”

“是的,我是当然可以:壶嘴其形制为晚明风格,铭文为时大彬著作。

如果你认为这是一位马来西亚紫砂老壶专家看到他认为是正宗的时大彬壶时所表现出的唯一兴奋,那么你应该听听彭清福的另一种兴奋(甚至是他买不到50号时大彬时的恼怒),可以说是台湾人对老紫砂壶最了解的人,也是伟大的老师,以黄健亮、刘创新、李明等几个大人物的名字来形容紫砂壶(那是在我们发现彭清福是卖假壶最多的有组织诈骗大师,也是旧紫砂壶混乱、苦难和毁灭的源头之前)。

是的,彭清福!

2012年,我们有幸(或不幸取决于你对它的看法)在台湾台北第一次见到彭庆福(我们被告知他住在台湾台中)。事实上,我们在2012年10月JSL紫砂古壶拍卖会之前、期间和之后见过他好几次,因为我们被告知彭清福是紫砂壶历史上最大、最高的权威。在我们走进君悦大酒店的咖啡厅里,我们带来了一些精美的早期朱泥壶和两张50号壶的照片,还有彭清福的题词。像马来西亚紫砂壶老专家何伟义一样,他在考察我们清初的陶罐时很放松,也很淡定,但当他看到50号时大彬壶的照片时却失去了冷静和兴奋。他立刻问道:“这壶现在在哪里?“这是你的壶吗?“你带了吗?“,”是卖的吗?我们可以帮助您得到一个非常好的价格为壶在JSL拍卖!你下次来台湾的时候能把壶带来吗?或者我可以坐飞机去马来西亚?“总之,彭清福在2012年10月JSL紫砂壶拍卖会之前、期间和之后,至少问了我们8次关于50号壶的问题。

(注:1998年,由于亚洲金融危机,JSL停止了紫砂壶的拍卖,直到2012年10月才重新开始,原因只有一个:任富收藏的大量旧紫砂壶收藏得到了JSL的支持,JSL相信我们会继续支持他们,但当我们攻击JSL的欺诈行为是彭清福和黄健亮拍卖结束后,任富收藏曝光了内部人的欺诈行为,JSL的名字因此受损,以至于它完全停止了紫砂壶的拍卖。)

女士们,先生们,我们应该很高兴这两位紫砂壶的老专家,一位是受人尊敬的马来西亚收藏家兼专家,声称我们的50号壶是真正的时大彬;另一位是最臭名昭著的台湾老手兼欺诈大师,尽管他没有提到50号壶是时大彬,但他的身体语言和对壶的行为表明了这种壶的一些非常特殊和非凡的作品,一个真正的时大彬壶典故只能是合适的结论?(事实上,还有一些专家说,我们的50号壶可能是时大彬的。)

那么你问的结果是什么?

在我们向在线学习者或知识渊博的观众提出关于50号壶的真正制造者的问题并征求他们的意见之前,让我们先来看看这个老陶工的名字:时大彬和任富收藏的50号壶。

时大彬是在万历晚期进入这一领域的,他开始用模具来制作陶器,但后来用手来制作陶器。

徒手灌封和件模灌封一起进行,而不是排斥其他。

在龚春时代(正德时代)统治时期:( 1506-1521)模具在陶器行业中并不新鲜。件模徒手灌封技术是明清乃至今宜兴陶艺家的一种主要方法.

众所周知,龚春是一位名叫武夷山的学者的侍女,他曾在金沙寺学习过壶艺,后来又成功地将自己的壶艺传授给了寺内的僧侣,被誉为“紫砂茶壶之父”。

在供春之后,正德至万历之间的80年间,没有一个活跃的陶艺家是没有争议的。

一些作家认为,在这80年里,共有5位共同创始的陶艺家。他们是东汉、赵亮、袁畅(1522-1566)、时鹏(嘉靖)和李茂林(万历)。

对时大彬的父亲时鹏知之甚少。

至于时大彬,在中国大陆考古发掘的7件时大彬壶中,发现了唯一没有争议的、具体的证明其存在和作品的证据。

哦,对不起!在任富收藏中发现的有考古记载的时大彬,可能是第八个出土的时大彬,即第50号壶(任富收藏中的其他时大彬壶都是旧的)。

我们听到了问:那怎么办任富收藏的意见是因为我们是发掘50号壶的人所以有考古知识吗?

我们喜忧参半:前一分钟我们认为50号壶可能是时大彬的,下一分钟我们认为这太好了,不可能是真的任富收藏拥有一个真正的时大彬。与任富收藏的249号壶和683号壶不同的是,我们非常确信这两个壶分别是陈鸣远和潘壶的真品,尽管50号壶可能是时大彬的,但我们确实不确定。

现在,如果你愿意的话,让我们再看看任富收藏的第50号时大彬朱泥壶的考古记录。

在《拯救老紫砂泥茶壶》一书中,我们把50号壶的年代称为康熙/顺治,不是因为我们认为这壶是康熙/顺治时期的,而是因为我们不知道,所以我们沿用了乾隆五十八年墓“蚕食”的大崩解墓年代(见附图)挖掘现场。正如我们之前所解释的,根据我们对坟墓的丰富经验和知识,一座坟墓至少需要120年才能完全崩解,因此这个崩解的坟墓比乾隆58年的坟墓至少早120年,也就是说,崩解的坟墓或50号壶可能是顺治,崇祯、明天启乃至晚万历年。

50号壶是用紫砂粘土制成的,壶身和壶嘴都是晚明的风格。最后, 没有用50号壶出土的红釉茶杯,这意味着50号壶一定是顺治的,而且更早,因为红釉茶杯开始出现在康熙年间,我们顺治和晚明的所有壶都没有用红釉茶杯来证明这一点。所以50号壶可能是一个老的顺治副本或真正的崇祯时大彬。

除非有更多的证据表明我们可以继续下去,否则我们的意见只能走到今天。

下一个大的帖子是关于惠孟臣,最受欢迎和知名的,但仍然未知和神秘的老主人名家和任富收藏的壶号:387与他有关。任富收藏是世界上有考古记载的惠孟臣壶出土最多的一位老名家,他应该是对老名家惠孟臣最了解、最了解的人。

享受任富收藏的历史“一带一路”考古发帖,过一个安全、健康、快乐的中国新年!(如果可以的话)

P/S:另外,任富收藏正在为其茶壶和茶具颁发一份新的真品证书,我们还可以为不属于我们的茶壶颁发真品证书,这是我们为人们认证的。证书将有两个签名以防伪造。

紫砂壶又名宜兴茶壶,又称紫砂泥茶壶。

汕头朱泥壶又名潮州朱泥壶又名潮汕茶壶。

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